Epistle to a Preteristic Adventist

Wow....two things you said here that were brilliant: Perhaps Jesus gets lost in translation.... and the principle of reciprocal regard. I wonder if your self worth(and with it of course the self worth others) has beome your ultimate concern (Tillich's synonym for God)? I think this scandal of particularity in the NT is a big problem which is not easily resolved (perhaps it cannot be). Did I send you my blog link...I have an article on Christology there you might want to check out: http://www.progressiveevangelical.blogspot.com/ You and I are trying to walk the thin line between exclusivism and pluralism. My fall back when it gets really slippery and I have to say Jesus is the one true way is to say that heresy is not something that keeps you out of the kingdom. I guess I have become so generalized in my escahtology that the Adventist stuff no longer means anything to me. Jesus was here, is still here and is coming here again. Jesus is the way and he is on the way. And if He maintains his humanity, he is still growing. He is still in conversation with us and maybe we can convince him to save the Hindu who refuses to accept him (if he has not already decided to do this). I actully think that Divinity in all three persons of the Trinity is growing. God is learning and listening and he has created at least one creature whom he cannot ultimately control (a rock He cannot lift or perhaps he has made himself so small and weak he cannot lift a pebble). It is a mystery and mystery is sacrament and sacrament is finding the universal in the particular, the real presence in, with and under (as Luther would say) all mystery and the particular mystery that the church receives and communicates.... And there is the connection: communicate, communion, commune. Risen body becomes body in bread becomes (as we are what we eat) the body of Christ. He is the bread, the bread is the bread and the Bible is the bread. I have come to believe that holy communion should be served every time the holy scriptures are read (I do not practice this belief but we Methodists are trying to get back to our Anglican roots). My rule is this(or at least one of them as I have so many to ignore): Christ is present in the Bible in the same manner and to the same degree as he is in the sacraments (be they 2 or 7 or more). I am also at the point where perhaps I am no longer protestant (well yeah I am and always will be protestant) but I am in agreement with the Orthodox and Catholic traditions...The Church is to be added to my rule...I wish I could find away to elevate the Bible above the Church but it is the Church's book and this book must be read under the illumination (is this not the same as inspiration?...I try as best I can to conform to my protestant heritage) of the Holy Spirit in a Christ centered and trinitarian bound manner (and here's the last catch) within the community of faith (this being, at least, the universal (I dare not say catholic) Church). And yet the Spirit is wild; we cannot control her or her companion Sophia Logos in the flesh ascended. The light of the moon illumines the trees at night, revealing a glitter in the leaves not seen in the daylight and yet that light is one light from one source. (This metaphor I arrived at myself but a professor told me that von Balthasar beat me to the punch.) It is late. I think I shall call this Epistle to a Preteristic Psychologizing (love that moment of self critical reflection)Adventist. I love you my brother.

Further Thoughts on Gays in the Church

In my previous article on this topic, I shared thoughts on how Christians and Christian churches ought to treat gay people even if they disagree with them concerning the morality of gay relationships. I have received, without surprise, hostile reactions from some for what they perceive is an article endorsing gay marriage. The basis of this accusation is that I said the government ought perhaps to legalize it or get out of the business of defining marriage all together and instead allow adults whether in a sexual or non-sexual relationship to form civil partnerships. By this logic one would have to say that if you agree that cigarette smoking should be legal for adults then you are endorsing cigarette smoking. Any libertarian minded Republican (which I am neither) would tell you that is non-sense. I was simply saying that compassion towards all sinners ought to include homosexual sinners and that such compassion demands we defend their civil rights at least as much as we would defend the right of the KKK to assemble, speak their minds and perform whatever ritual bonds they desire. Additionally, I mentioned several ways in which the church could be more hospitable. Of course my Methodist tradition is only one of many profound, orthodox and legitimate Christian traditions. We believe that Holy Communion ought to be open to all and that this sacrament is also a "converting ordinance" (Wesley) which can and does transform sinnners' hearts and lives. Other traditions, for equally profound reasons, practice closed communion. They stress that repentence from sin should precede approaching the Table of the Lord. Additionally, some stress a right understanding of the presence of Christ to be a prerequisite for partaking of the body and blood of Christ. While I disagree with the latter, I respect it. With regards to the former I am able to respect it as well if it is enforced consistently. If in such a tradition love is to be shown to the unrepententant homosexual by refusing her reception of the elements at the table of the Lord, those who are unrepentent gossipers, gamblers, greedy and glutonous should be be shown the same love. The homosexual sinner would thus be shown that her sin is not singled ought for special penalty but all unrepentent sinners are denied the sacrament. Whether the Table of the Lord is opened or closed within your tradition, it should be so administered consistently.
I also suggested in the previous reflection that orthopraxi towards gay people can help lead us to orthodoxy over the issue of homosexuality. Jesus gave the church the authority to bind and to loose, to permit and to forbid when there is controversy in the church. How far this authority extends is up for debate; however, that authority is dependent upon the Church being an engaged body, intentionally reflecting upon how well its members are loving one another and always listening for the Holy Spirit's directing while it continually reads the Church's sacred Book and the Tradition which has faithfully sought to carry on its message forward throughout all history and all lands. In this holy and apostolic process, the Church has permitted and forbidden various practices and teachings. The church does not always do this explictly. The practice of slavery (except, of course, slavery to the Lord) has ceased to be permitted in any form even though the Bible in both testaments permitted it and forbade slaves from seeking their own freedom even from cruel masters. Today, the Church forbids its members to practice slavery as it was authorized to be practiced in the New Testament as well as how it was practiced in the ante-bellum South. The Church in many traditions has come to say that the sabbath is to be kept on Sunday even though as a weekly observance the Bible teaches it to be kept on what we call Saturday. (I realize that some Christians want the Church to re-embrace the keeping to the seventh day sabbath while others believe that because Christ himself gives us eternal rest here and now 24-7, Christians need not keep Sabbath on any day at all.) Surely if the Church has authority to loose and bind on this issue which is, like marriage, a "creation ordinance", then it also ought to have the authority to loose and to bind on the issue of Christian marriage. The Church as a whole may come to agree with our Seventh Day Baptist and Seventh-day Adventist friends, that we should have never switched or abrogated the day of sabbath observance. Likewise, the Church, should it decide to bless gay marriages and ordain married gay pastors, could re-embrace the traditional understanding of Biblical prohibitions and forbid the same again. In doing so, the harm would not be more or less than the centuries of Sunday Sabbatarian tradition.

Quick random thoughts

I hear so often conservative and fundamentalist evangelicals saying abortion is murder. I want to let them know that Rudi and Arnold are welcome to receive communion at my church. How about theirs? The hypocricy of all those cheering delegates who constantly call John Kerry a baby killer is so blatant I wonder whether the Republican party has become their church. That being said, I wish my party would be more open to pro-lifers like Kucinich used to be. Lot of good his change on this issue did him. Dean grabbed all the progressives and DJK was virtually ignored even though he was clearly the more consistent anti-war president and unlike Dean he called for reductions in the Pentagon's bloated budget which makes the progressive agenda a fiscal impossibility. The next Kucinich who comes along I hope holds her (his) ground....(S)he couldn't do worse and maybe all these folks who would otherwise vote Democratic might be willing to switch parties. I do not think we are ever going to get anything done about economic justice until we lighten up on this kneee jerk pro-choice agenda.

Sure Deborah

Could not find a way to send you a yes but I would be honored to be linked on your blog. Hope you do not mind my putting yours on here as well. Would like to know more about what you think.